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Post by freddykyogre on Apr 26, 2018 13:45:22 GMT
Welcome to Break My Team. A lot of you were asking for this with no avail, so here it is! (Approved by DEG) A basic rundown: Break My Team is a community run event, where a team is posted weekly, and users comment on what they think might "break the team." I will find a team weekly, and it can come from anywhere,whether it comes from someone sending me a team, or I find a new one somewhere that might be a good discussion point. The team doesn't have to be a superstar team, it can be just about anything, so if there's a team that you really want to find the weaknesses of, submit it and it might get featured. So for a few basic rules: - Please do not submit any gag, joke, or "excessively" obscure sets for answers or teams.
- Please be respectful of others who post, if you disagree with them, do so respectfully.
- When giving an answer to a team, be sure to calc for ALL of the mons (the calculator can be found here: pokemonshowdown.com/damagecalc/ ), including NON-MEGAS, so please do so to back up your answer! Put a few basic calcs in your answer, along with the set + EVs.
- Rolls should be over 87.5% in your favor for it to count as a "definite win."
- Moves will be assumed to be always hit (except in the case of things like zap cannon and inferno).
- The weekly turnover for teams is Saturday. Submit teams before then!
- Most importantly, be sure to HAVE FUN AND BE ACTIVE!
Now to start this off, here is this week's team! Durant @ Choice Band Ability: Hustle EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Jolly Nature - Iron Head - X-Scissor - Stone Edge - Superpower
Diancie-Mega @ Diancite Ability: Magic Bounce EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Timid Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Calm Mind - Moonblast - Power Gem - Magnet Rise
Venusaur-Mega @ Venusaurite Ability: Chlorophyll EVs: 248 HP / 24 Def / 144 SpD / 92 Spe Calm Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Charm - Leech Seed - Hidden Power [Fire] - Synthesis
Start the conversation below!
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Post by freddykyogre on Apr 26, 2018 13:50:13 GMT
(reserving this post)
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Post by uselesscrab on Apr 26, 2018 14:22:20 GMT
Time for an extremely boring suggestion, Scarf Tapu Lele:
Tapu Lele @ Choice Scarf Ability: Psychic Surge EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Timid Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Psychic - Moonblast - Hidden Power [Fire] - Thunderbolt
This is virtually the same set as we have in the sets pokepaste. Anyway, the main weakness I noticed was that this week's team is very slow, but Durant is just fast enough to make stuff like Mega Gardevoir ineffective. Pretty much any faster Pokemon with Hidden Power Fire can kill Durant.
252 SpA Tapu Lele Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Durant: 468-552 (182.1 - 214.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Tapu Lele is bulky enough to take any attack from Mega Diancie with ease:
252 SpA Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Diancie-Mega in Psychic Terrain: 205-243 (85 - 100.8%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO 252 SpA Diancie-Mega Moonblast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Lele: 160-190 (56.7 - 67.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
And the high Special Defense of this Mega Venusaur set isn't enough since it lacks Sludge Bomb:
252 SpA Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 248 HP / 144+ SpD Venusaur-Mega in Psychic Terrain: 306-362 (84.2 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 0 SpA Venusaur-Mega Hidden Power Fire vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Lele: 46-55 (16.3 - 19.5%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leech Seed damage (lol)
Normally I would have liked to be more creative, but I think this team's most apparent weakness is fast special attackers. Here's another one (thanks pqs and freddy for the correction):
Deoxys-Speed @ Choice Specs Ability: Pressure EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Timid Nature IVs: 0 Atk ` - Psycho Boost - Hidden Power [Fire] - Ice Beam - Flash Cannon
252 SpA Choice Specs Deoxys-Speed Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Durant: 564-664 (219.4 - 258.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 SpA Choice Specs Deoxys-Speed Flash Cannon vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Diancie: 296-352 (122.8 - 146%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 SpA Choice Specs Deoxys-Speed Psycho Boost vs. 248 HP / 144+ SpD Venusaur-Mega: 380-450 (104.6 - 123.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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delak
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Post by delak on Apr 26, 2018 15:02:24 GMT
Mega Metagross can also beat this team. here is the Metagross set: Metagross-Mega @ Metagrossite Ability: Tough Claws EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 4 SpD / 248 Spe Hasty Nature - Zen Headbutt - Bullet Punch - Substitute - Hidden Power [Fire]
It beats durant with HP fire and Diancie with Bullet Punch. Outspeeds Durant by 1 point and he has priority for Diancie.
4 SpA Metagross-Mega Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Durant: 320-380 (124.5 - 147.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Tough Claws Metagross-Mega Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Diancie-Mega: 340-408 (141 - 169.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Against Venusaur, the best strat is to not mega evolve and click zen headbutt till you win. Relevant calcs below. 252 Atk Metagross Zen Headbutt vs. 248 HP / 24 Def Venusaur-Mega: 222-264 (61.1 - 72.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leech Seed recovery
0 SpA Venusaur-Mega Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Metagross: 112-134 (37.2 - 44.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
if they leech seed, you have an extra turn for zen headbutt, but they can 2HKO HP Fire 0 SpA Venusaur-Mega Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Metagross: 112-134 (37.2 - 44.5%) -- 2.3% chance to 2HKO after Leech Seed damage
You can also mega and substitute if you dont think they will HP fire. Still takes 2 zen heabuts though.
This is my first post on a 1v1 board as a side note.
Also thanks for starting this project. Looking forward to future teams.
Edit: Forgot about synthesis. you still outspeed venusaur but if he rocovers/you miss, it would be wise to read that and mega then sub.
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Post by dom on Apr 26, 2018 16:00:46 GMT
altho i dont play usum 1v1 i do like the idea of 1v1 projects so here: BATMOBILE (Noivern) @ Choice Specs Ability: Frisk EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Timid Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Air Slash - Draco Meteor - Flamethrower - Hidden Power [Steel] wins every game. venusaur can barely touch it while getting owned by air slash and everything else should die.
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Post by motogp on Apr 26, 2018 16:10:51 GMT
Dragonite @ Flyinium Z Ability: Multiscale EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Adamant Nature - Fly - Iron Head - Extreme Speed - Fire Punch there is a dragonite for every team
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Post by freddykyogre on Apr 26, 2018 16:50:17 GMT
Normally I would have liked to be more creative, but I think this team's most apparent weakness is fast special attackers. Here's another one: Deoxys-Speed @ Choice Specs Ability: Pressure EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Timid Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Psycho Boost - Hidden Power [Fire] - Ice Beam - Trick (these last two moves are not relevant) 252 SpA Choice Specs Deoxys-Speed Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Durant: 564-664 (219.4 - 258.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 SpA Choice Specs Deoxys-Speed Psycho Boost vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Diancie-Mega: 255-300 (105.8 - 124.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 SpA Choice Specs Deoxys-Speed Psycho Boost vs. 248 HP / 144+ SpD Venusaur-Mega: 380-450 (104.6 - 123.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO Great post! Only issue I have is that you didn't consider that diancie could just not mega. Not mega-ing lets diancie beat deoxys-speed, tanks a hit and can ko back. Otherwise, thank you for posting!
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Post by uselesscrab on Apr 26, 2018 18:55:35 GMT
Thanks for pointing out my mistake, fixed
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Post by tehpazzaaaman on Apr 26, 2018 19:17:24 GMT
Aegislash @ Ghostium Z Ability: Stance Change EVs: 248 HP / 48 Def / 168 SpA / 44 SpD Quiet Nature IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe - Shadow Ball - Flash Cannon - Metal Sound - King's Shield
Durant can't hurt this mon Flash cannon eats diancie for breakfast Metal Sound lowers venu's spdef without switching forms
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Post by ggopw on Apr 26, 2018 20:04:13 GMT
Since everyone is posting usual mons ill post something different that i almost have never seen being used Starmie! here is the set: Starmie @ Choice Specs Ability: Analytic EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Timid Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Hydro Pump - Power Gem didnt even know it got that lol - Ice Beam - Psyshock
now onto the calcs: 252 SpA Choice Specs Starmie Psyshock vs. 248 HP / 24 Def Venusaur-Mega: 270-318 (74.3 - 87.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252 SpA Choice Specs Starmie Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Durant: 400-472 (155.6 - 183.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO (0)
252 SpA Choice Specs Starmie Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Diancie: 314-372 (130.2 - 154.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO u could tell we dont need after mega calc but here it is anyway 252 SpA Choice Specs Starmie Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Diancie-Mega: 414-488 (171.7 - 202.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO -it can basically kill 2 diancies something to add is that u dont need choice specs u can run life orb but i felt specs is nice also surf or scald helps u not miss if its needed i put power gem for zard y and ice beam for zygarde and others.U can add hp fire for ferro maybe but thats it.
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Post by blondesasukeuchiha on Apr 26, 2018 21:04:30 GMT
Usual mon, unusual set
Genesect @ Buginium Z Ability: Download EVs: 252 HP / 136 SpA / 28 SpD / 92 Spe Timid Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Metal Sound - Bug Buzz - Flamethrower - Flash Cannon
Genesect is usually found holding a choise item but recently i have found that bugnium works just as well and this is boosted by the help of metal sound. Calcs: 252 Atk Choice Band Hustle Durant Superpower vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Genesect: 271-319 (78.3 - 92.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO +1 128 SpA Genesect Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Durant: 904-1064 (351.7 - 414%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Diancie-Mega Power Gem vs. 252 HP / 28 SpD Genesect: 154-183 (44.5 - 52.8%) -- 25.4% chance to 2HKO +1 128 SpA Genesect Flash Cannon vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Diancie-Mega: 624-736 (258.9 - 305.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO With Calm Mind- 128 SpA Genesect Flash Cannon vs. +1 0 HP / 0 SpD Diancie-Mega: 276-328 (114.5 - 136%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 SpA Venusaur-Mega Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 28 SpD Genesect: 208-248 (60.1 - 71.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Click Metal Burst and then 128+ SpA Genesect Savage Spin-Out (175 BP) vs. -2 248 HP / 144+ SpD Venusaur-Mega: 372-438 (102.4 - 120.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Two sidenotes, i didn't calc the 4 spdef on diancie on accident, doesn't make a difference because... I had to change genesect to modest which it should have been in the first 2 anyway, picks up kills easier and doesn't effect speed tiers as it has to take a hit no matter what. I really like the project and I hope it continues for some time.
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Post by tehpazzaaaman on Apr 26, 2018 21:46:56 GMT
Since everyone is posting usual mons ill post something different that i almost have never seen being used Starmie! here is the set: Starmie @ Choice Specs Ability: Analytic EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Timid Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Hydro Pump - Power Gem didnt even know it got that lol - Ice Beam - Psyshock
now onto the calcs: 252 SpA Choice Specs Starmie Psyshock vs. 248 HP / 24 Def Venusaur-Mega: 270-318 (74.3 - 87.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252 SpA Choice Specs Starmie Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Durant: 400-472 (155.6 - 183.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO (0)
252 SpA Choice Specs Starmie Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Diancie: 314-372 (130.2 - 154.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO u could tell we dont need after mega calc but here it is anyway 252 SpA Choice Specs Starmie Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Diancie-Mega: 414-488 (171.7 - 202.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO -it can basically kill 2 diancies something to add is that u dont need choice specs u can run life orb but i felt specs is nice also surf or scald helps u not miss if its needed i put power gem for zard y and ice beam for zygarde and others.U can add hp fire for ferro maybe but thats it. what if you miss hydro pump
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Post by ggopw on Apr 27, 2018 2:53:41 GMT
it gets surf and scald...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 20:26:46 GMT
Since you guys didn't like my Chople Heatran set... Tapu Koko @ Electrium Z Ability: Electric Surge EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Jolly Nature - Wild Charge - Taunt - Charge - Filler gg Venusaur-Mega: Taunt --> Charge --> Z Wild Charge --> Wild Charge +2 252 Atk Tapu Koko Gigavolt Havoc (175 BP) vs. 248 HP / 24 Def Venusaur-Mega in Electric Terrain: 321-378 (88.4 - 104.1%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO 252 Atk Tapu Koko Wild Charge vs. 248 HP / 24 Def Venusaur-Mega in Electric Terrain: 84-99 (23.1 - 27.2%) -- 54.1% chance to 4HKO While Venusaur-Mega can't even touch you. 0 SpA Venusaur-Mega Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tapu Koko: 65-77 (23.1 - 27.4%) -- 62.9% chance to 4HKO 0 SpA Venusaur-Mega Hidden Power Fire vs. +1 0 HP / 4 SpD Tapu Koko: 44-52 (15.6 - 18.5%) -- possible 6HKO 0 SpA Venusaur-Mega Hidden Power Fire vs. +1 0 HP / 4 SpD Tapu Koko: 44-52 (15.6 - 18.5%) -- possible 6HKO 0 SpA Venusaur-Mega Hidden Power Fire vs. +1 0 HP / 4 SpD Tapu Koko: 44-52 (15.6 - 18.5%) -- possible 6HKO Durant: 252 Atk Tapu Koko Gigavolt Havoc (175 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Durant in Electric Terrain: 358-423 (139.2 - 164.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO Diancie-Mega 252 Atk Tapu Koko Gigavolt Havoc (175 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Diancie-Mega in Electric Terrain: 363-427 (150.6 - 177.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 Atk Tapu Koko Gigavolt Havoc (175 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Diancie in Electric Terrain: 276-325 (114.5 - 134.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO Why again are we showcasing a team that gets 3-0ed by the most popular Pokemon in 1v1?
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Post by freddykyogre on Apr 27, 2018 21:47:57 GMT
Why again are we showcasing a team that gets 3-0ed by the most popular Pokemon in 1v1? the problem with that statement is that just about EVERY TEAM can get 3-0ed by tapu koko
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